Thursday, July 21, 2011

NFL lockout is over! Well...kinda?

NFL lockout is over! Well...kinda?

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On Thursday and by a 31-0 vote, owners ratified a 10-year collective bargaining agreement that essentially ended the NFL’s four-month lockout. Are you ready for some football!!!!!!! However, before you get too excited you and the NFL players need to read the fine print.

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The lockout has been lifted on the condition that players also ratify the CBA by next Tuesday. Unfortunately, the players are less than thrilled with the time line and many are tweeting that this is the latest PR move by the NFL.

Twitter God Ocho Cinco tweeted, “Wonder how many people understand the awesome strategic move that some genius came up with to shift the pressure n negativity on us.” Donte Stallworth followed with, “The NFL is not Suge Knight...they not gonna hang us out a window and make us sign something.”
Basically, the NFL owners voted on a 10-year agreement that splits the 9 billion dollar revenue stream 53-47% in the owners favor. The agreement increases the NFL minimum pay 10%, reduces off-season training camps, and modifies the rookie wage scale and contract length. Additionally, the agreement allows players unrestricted free agency status after four years as opposed to six.

The problem is the CBA has a deadline of next Tuesday. “We have not drawn a line in the sand here,” said Jeff Pash, the league’s top lawyer. “We are hoping that it will proceed expeditiously.”

I’m not a lawyer but saying ”Next Tuesday or Else” seems like a line in the sand? Furthermore, rumors are swirling that the NFL jammed last minute issues into the CBA and have specifically made the ratified CBA and deadline public as to sway public opinion of the players. Essentially, making the players look like the bad guys if they don’t accept the deal.

Depending on whom you ask, the players like, hate, or haven’t seen the proposed deal from the owners. The only certainty is the players must recertify as a union to address issues such as workman’s compensation and must also ratify the CBA or the lockout goes back into effect.

Stay tuned…..

Tuesday, July 19, 2011

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Biggest Needs

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Biggest Needs

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The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are looking to build on their impressive 2010 campaign. Despite starting 10 rookies, an NFL record, the Buccaneers defied the odds and put together a solid 10-6 record narrowly missing the playoffs. The Bucs have talented young players galore but they have several weaknesses that must be addressed if they expect to compete during the upcoming season.

Defensive End:

What!? They drafted nothing but defensive linemen for the past two years. Da'Quan Bowers was considered the steal of the draft and first rounder Adrian Clayborn is a presumed starter for 2011. Why defensive end?

There’s a reason that Tampa used both their first and second round selections on defensive ends. Their pass rush was non-existent in 2010 and the organization lacks quality depth at either defensive end position. With the NFL lockout still in effect the Bucs excellent draft selections will have steep hill to climb in very little time. If you think about it, training camps are going to be over before these guys even figure out where the lockers rooms are much less learn the playbook. It’s unfortunate but a reality that many organizations are facing. As of now, the Bucs have two rookies who may or may not have the playbook plus the exact personnel from 2010 who recorded the NFL’s second fewest sacks (26). In our opinion, Tampa would be wise to free agents such as Giants Mathias Kiwanuka or Jets Shaun Ellis. Signing either of these vets immediately boosts Tampa’s pass rush while giving Clayborn and Bowers time to develop.

Interesting Note: the Bucs haven’t drafted a pro-bowl caliber defensive end since Lee Roy Selmon during their inaugural season in 1976.

Cornerback:

The Buccaneers will be in a real pinch if former first rounder, Aqib Talib, is suspended for his recent offseason arrests. Some reports suggest the Bucs are still pondering whether to continue their relationship or cut ties entirely with the former first round selection. Though the Bucs intentions may still be in the air, the NFL’s stance regarding violations of the “Player Conduct Policy” is very clear. If you the break the rules Roger Goodell will punish you. With that said, Talib is expected to miss games via suspension and this leaves Tampa’s secondary with little more than Ronde Barber and hope. Though Barber is always a presence teams will simply avoid his side of the field and exploit the rest of the Bucs young secondary. Adding a corner would address the Bucs immediate need with Talib’s likely absence while possibly addressing the long-term need of replacing the seemingly ageless Barber. Despite regressing in 2010, Jonathon Joseph comes to mind. The former South Carolina standout wants out of Cincinnati and would be a perfect fit in the Buccaneers aggressive defensive scheme.

Running Back:

I know what your thinking. The Buccaneers rookie LeGarrette Blount had a breakout season with over a thousand yards and six touchdowns. Why do they need another running back? Simply put, the Buccaneers have absolutely zero options beyond their rookie sensation. With Cadillac Williams not expected to resign the Bucs RB depth chart consist of fullback Earnest Graham and undrafted Kregg Lumpkin. Heaven forbid if Blount needs a play off, as the Bucs would be better off with a five wide zero back formation rather than trotting out their replacements. Adding an established veteran like DeAngelo Williams, Jerious Norwood, Darren Sproles, or Jason Snelling significantly improves the Buccaneers developing and very talented offense.

Sunday, July 17, 2011

Arrested Players Effect NFL Teams 2011 Season

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Since the lockout began over twenty NFL players have been arrested for varying offenses and legal questions regarding the NFL’s ability to enforce punishment for those offenses are being raised.

If NFL players are restricted from receiving employee benefits are they still liable for their employee obligations? If players are under contract, despite currently being suspended, are they still accountable for breaches of said contract once they are activated? The legality of this question can be argued either way but most agree that once the lockout is lifted the NFL’s, “Player Conduct Policy,” will be in full force. With that said, when Roger Goodell hands down punishments for this offseason's twenty plus arrests which teams will be effected the most?

Tennessee Titans:

The Titans Kenny Britt has been quite active this offseason with 5 booked criminal offenses. He was arrested for eluding police, rendering false information, and obstruction of justice following a car chase in New Jersey this past April. In June, he was charged with resisting arrest and evidence tampering. Finally, Britt recently surrendered himself to Tennessee authorities based on multiple outstanding misdemeanor warrants regarding fraudulent applications.

The arrests have resulted in Britt’s unknown status with the Tennessee Titans, which further depletes an already underwhelming receiving core. If Kenny Britt is traded, released, or suspended the Titans receiving core would consist of Nate Washington, Justin Gage, and Damian Williams. Additionally, the Titans current quarterback is rookie Jake Locker who struggled to lead Washington University to a winning season during the 2010 NCAA season.

With little to fear in the passing game, teams will crowd the box and focus all of their energy in stopping Titans running back Chris Johnson. Furthermore, even if the Titans were able to sign a veteran quarterback, like Donavon McNabb, the wide receiving core is significantly weaker without Britt leading the way. It’s hard to see this team winning more than seven games with Kenny Britt much less without him. To top everything off, the Titans are in a division with potent offenses such as the Colts and Texans. With Chris Johnson as their only weapon, the Titans will have a difficult time scoring much less coming back from a deficit to win. Crazier things have happened but I don’t see the Colts and Titans having defensive battles with the Titans. It’ll be a shoot out and the Titans lack ammunition.


Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

Aqib Talib, the Buccaneers first round selection in the 2008 draft, was arrested in March for assault with a deadly weapon. The second-degree felony charges resulted from an incident where Talib is accused of firing shots at his sister's boyfriend.

The Buccaneers took great strides in 2010 based largely on consistent defensive play and breakout years from Josh Freeman, Legarrette Blount, and Mike Williams. Though their offense grew by leaps and bounds they are still quite young and yet to establish a full year of consistency. It follows, that if the Bucs intend to compete against the Saints and Falcons powerful passing attacks they will heavily rely on their defense.

The 2008 20th overall selection, Aqib Talib, has the most serious charges of all twenty NFL players arrested and is almost certainly facing a suspension. The Buccaneers passing defense was ranked 17th in 2010 and Aqib Talib was the second leading tackler for the Bucs defensive secondary. Though the Bucs still have the ageless wonder Ronde Barber he’s one dose of reality away from retiring. With the Atlanta Falcons receiving core consisting of Pro Bowler Roddy White, future Hall of Famer Tony Gonzalez, and first rounder Julio Jones the Buccaneers are in serious trouble if they only have Barber. I haven’t even mentioned the former Super Bowl champions Drew Brees and company. Aqib Talib is only one player but the Buccaneers are in a division that requires two shut down corners and they’re almost guaranteed to be without one for part of the 2011 season.

Cincinnati Bengals:

The Bengals didn’t have an offseason player arrested until two weeks ago. Then a bad situation got worst. It’s no secret that Bengals QB Carson Palmer has been threatening retirement unless he’s traded. Palmer isn’t Manning but he’s a big reason that the Bengals haven’t embarrassed themselves over the past few seasons. With Cedric Benson’s recent arrest they may lose their running back as well. Benson was arrested in Texas for assault causing bodily injury. This is Benson’s second arrest and will most likely land him a suspension ranging from 2-4 games.

Granted, Benson is slated to become a free agent after the lockout ends but many speculated he would reunite with the Bengals especially after his successful 2010 campaign. With Carson Palmers situation in the air the Bengals will heavily rely on a strong rushing attack and there are limited options via free agency. Furthermore, reports have surfaced reaffirming Palmers strong stance in retiring unless he’s traded. If Palmer follows through with his threats he would leave the Bengals in the hands of QB Jordan Palmer , WR Ocho Cinco, and RB Bernard Scott. To make matters worse the Bengals are in the notoriously difficult AFC North Division.

On a lesser note, Adam “Pacman” Jones was also arrested for disorderly conduct while intoxicated. Jones has a two-year contract with the Bengals but had limited playing time with the team in 2010 steaming from a neck injury. If Pacman’s charges stick he may face a substantial suspension based on his previous transgressions.

Wednesday, July 6, 2011

Funny or Die on NFL lockout= HILARIOUS!

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If your not familiar with Funny or Die your about to be introduced via their latest NFL lockout spoof titled "Field of Dreams 2: NFL Lockout with Taylor Lautner." Funny Or Die is a comedy video website that combines user-generated content with original, exclusive content. The site is a place where celebrities, established and up-and-coming comedians and regular users can all put up stuff they think is funny.


Funny Or Die was created by the guys at Gary Sanchez Productions (Will Ferrell, Adam McKay and Chris Henchy) and a bunch of Silicon Valley dudes and ladies. Michael Kvamme, an aspiring young comedian, came up with a concept for a new kind of comedy site and told his dad, Mark Kvamme of Sequoia Capital to write a check. Randy Adams, a Silicon Valley serial entrepreneur, signed on to handle design and implementation. Now, Funny Or Die has offices in Japan, Madagascar and Bahn, nine full time lobbyists in Washington and an elite private security force consisting of four hundred soldiers and six attack helicopters.

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Monday, July 4, 2011

Happy Birthday America! Your still the shit!

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It's JULY 4th! Happy Birthday America! The United States has gotten bad press over the past few years but thankfully were the greatest country this world has ever seen. The financial markets are down but remember that the ENTIRE world feeds off of us. Thus, the world economy needs us more than we need them. So if your couffers are still low from the collapse, rest assured that most of the world is in much worse shape than you. Even CHINA!

The states abroad have negative feelings about how we handle ourselves in their countries. Remember that we are considered one of the "Grown Ups" in the world and are obligated to watch over our little chicklings as they development and fight for position with the world powers. Remember that the US fights for those who are unable to fight for themselves. Other countries may dislike us but MOST couldn't survive without us. Remind the American bashing on us because MSNBC told them it was true. Do them a favor and buy them a ticket to Ecuador (So called developed country) and ask them to document their travels especially how they like the goats on the landing field.

Last but certainly not least I'm tired of people asserting that we'll all be speaking Mandarin in the next decade or so. The Chinese economy is currently 20% of the US economy. They are growing extremely fast because they are CHEAP and no other reason. China is trying to become a PLAYA on the world stage. Here's why they WON'T pass AMERICA in my life time (I'm 27).

1) They can't continue to control everything. Communism or even quasi communism doesn't work and inevitably fails. Countries need control over their Peeps and in order to do so they use A) Fear and Violence or B) provide the ability to live a happy life. China can't kill their people without the world being turned off and investing their money elsewhere. Especially, if they want to run with the big boy United States. Thus, they have to provide a happy life for their Peeps. Currently, inflation is BOOMING in China as they are requiring almost 30% down to purchase a home. They are in the midst of a housing bubble and it's going to POP within 24 months. What does this mean? That means that peoples standard of living is decling because CHINA doesn't want to increase wages to it's peeps.

With the emerging wealth in the countries business sector people are realizing the power of business and commerce and more importantly their individual rights that empower them to be a part of said commerce. Thus, cheap laborers have started protesting for higher wages (It's already happening). It follows, that the qausi communist party gives a little to keep them happy aka to stay in control. Because if they don't then the citizens lose faith in qausi communism and start looking to other political powers. This process continues until their is a democracy. China is speeding up it's own political development via it's economy.

2) If more laborers protest for higher wages then the cost to produce products increases. Therefore, CHINA products are no longer cheap. Why is China's economy growing so fast? Because they offer the cheapest products in the world. THAT IS ALREADY in jeopardy and will continue to be as the country develops. Their economy has slowed because of recent inflation and wage hikes for employees. That will only increase as time passes slowing their economy to that of the worlds average pace. Thus, US will still hold a commanding lead.

3) They (China) FORCE all investors, individual and professional, to invest ONLY in Chinese investments. Which means that they don't allow their Peeps to invest in companies like GE or Facebook in the US. So 100% of money made in China stays in China. Well, that will change as PEEPS in China are already complaining about this. If their the most powerful country in the world then why can't their Peeps think for themselves? Thus, the people start to become unhappy (See step 1 above) and the cycle begins. Eventually, China will have to allow foreign investment and common sense says that the Chinese investors don't keep 100% of their eggs in one basket. Just common sense to diversify. Thus, China takes another economical hit.

What's my point? China is not the shit! The US is the shit and this is so despite being at it's lowest point in almost a century. We are still the leading power financially, economically, and military wise and will continue to be for some time. The transition of power won't happen in my life nor yours. So drink a beer, eat a hotdog, and get laid. Today's everyone's birthday!


Disclaimer:

If your from another country and reading this your probably thinking, "typical American ass." Normally, I don't run around screaming how great we are. Normally, when traveling abroad I mind my P's and Q's and respect the local culture and speak the local language. However, today is our day. No matter how you look at it were still the shit and will continue to be for some time. Whats that? Our debt? Puhleezee! The Obamacare will never be instituted. Social Security isn't a complex issue as it's only a 7% gap in solvency. The USPS becomes profitable by simply eliminating delivery on Friday and Saturdays. We are transitioning out of southern Europe/Asia and allocating our resources to the Mexican border thereby reducing Military Operational Cost. We are in the midst of reducing government funding and restructuring programs and entitlement programs. I'm sorry but when the world actively roots against us it's nothing more than "Penis Envy". Ours is bigger. Sure Russia and China could dump their US holdings and hurt us financially. But WHAT? WHATS THAT? They need us just as much as we need them? You mean to say that the US is intertwined throughout most of the global powers? Geeeee.....what a coincidence. Wonder how that happened? Either A) some peeps were riding the coat tails of others or B) some peeps didn't realize that they got in bed with someone who had long term backup plans. I'd apologize but like most of our country were tired of doing so via Obama. We're not sorry. We're have nothing to be sorry about. We took our turn in developing the world. You had Mesopotamia Iraq, Persians Iran, Egypt, China, Greeks, Romans, England,and now the US. I don't here any of the other dominate countries of this world apologizing. Eventually, someone will take their turn but not during my life time.

Happy Birthday America!

Friday, July 1, 2011

NBA Owners books look funny!

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Normally, I'm all for investigating and presenting my own stories. Today however, I found an article over at deadspin.com to good to pass up. Really interesting read on how NBA owners cook the books to make their P&L (Profit and Loss Statement) and Annual Operations Report (annual detail of company operational cost used for IRS filings) appear worse than they really are. The catch? It's completely legit and is well within the GAAP (General Accepted Accounting Practices) guidelines and IRS federal tax laws.

Tommy Craggs of Deadspin has put together a great article. The entire article and photos are of deadspin.com and of gawker assets. Click on the title of this post to link over to deadspin or see the article below.

Exclusive: How (And Why) An NBA Team Makes A $7 Million Profit Look Like A $28 Million Loss

Tommy Craggs —We've obtained audited financial data for the New Jersey Nets covering the three fiscal years from June 2003 to June 2006. Though the numbers end five years ago, you can still see the roots of the argument that will have NBA owners, come midnight, again locking out their players. You can also see how a team makes money and how it pretends not to be making any money at all.


The big loss: That $27.6 million net loss looks bad, but, as you'll see, it's an illusion — a trick of accounting, one practiced by every sports franchise with the full blessing of American tax law and one we should keep in mind whenever an owner pleads poverty.

"Anyone who quotes profits of a baseball club is missing the point," Paul Beeston once said (at the time he was a Blue Jays vice president). "Under generally accepted accounting principles, I can turn a $4 million profit into a $2 million loss and I could get every national accounting firm to agree with me." If anything, he was being too modest.


The hustle: The first thing to do is toss out that $25 million loss, says Rodney Fort, a sports economist at the University of Michigan. That's not a real loss. That's house money. The Nets didn't have to write any checks for $25 million. What that $25 million represents is the amount by which Nets owners reduced their tax obligation under something called a roster depreciation allowance, or RDA.

Bear with me now. The RDA dates back to 1959, and was maybe Bill Veeck's biggest hustle in a long lifetime of hustles. Veeck argued to the IRS that professional athletes, once they've been paid for, "waste away" like livestock. Therefore a sports team's roster, like a farmer's cattle or an office copy machine or a new Volvo, is a appreciable asset.

The underlying logic is specious at best. As Fort points out, a team's roster at any given moment isn't actually depreciating. While some players are fading with age, others are developing and improving. But the Nets don't have to pay more taxes when a player becomes more valuable. And in any case, the cost of depreciation is borne by the athletes themselves, when they pass their primes and lose their personal earning power.

Nevertheless, the IRS not only agreed with Veeck but allowed any owner claiming the write-off to deduct roster expenses twice — first under "player salaries," in the case of the Nets' documents, and then under "loss on players' contracts" — and an enormous tax shelter sprang up within the balance sheets of franchises everywhere. This can't be emphasized enough: Every year, taxpayers hand the plutocrats who own sports franchises a fat pile of money for no other reason than that one of those plutocrats, many years ago, convinced the IRS that his franchise is basically a herd of cattle. Fort calls it "special-interest legislation." "It's not illegal," he says. "It's just weird."

The rules have changed over the years, but the depreciation shelter remains one of the great graces of owning a sports team. In some ways, it's gotten more fanciful. Between 1977 and 2004, owners could write off half the team's purchase price over five years, thanks to the pretend-loss of player value. One consequence, Fort notes, is that teams would change hands every five or six years, once the exemption had dried up. Now, after tax law revisions in 2004, owners can write off 100 percent of their team's purchase price, albeit over a 15-year span. What they're buying, as far as the RDA is concerned, is a set of players — the brand identity, the right to stage games and charge admission, and everything else are throw-ins. (According to Fort's analysis [pdf], the new RDA rules had the twin effect of increasing both tax payments and team values.)

It's not hard to see the benefits. Owners who've set themselves up as a partnership or a Subchapter S corporation can pass their "losses" onto their personal income tax forms. Let's assume that's what the Nets owners did, and let's put them in the 33 percent tax bracket. (The audit here covers the last year that Lewis Katz and Ray Chambers owned the team, the fiscal year ending in June 2004. In August 2004, six years after buying the Nets, they sold the franchise for $300 million to real estate developer Bruce Ratner. In 2009, Ratner sold an 80 percent share to a Rocky and Bullwinkle character named Mikhail Prokhorov for $293 million in equity.) That $27.6 million loss would mean tax savings of $9.1 million ($27.6 x .33).

If we're trying to arrive at some idea of how much money the Nets really made in 2004, we'll need to do a little crude math. Knock out the $25.1 million RDA — a paper loss, remember — and add the $9.1 million in tax savings. Suddenly, that $27.6 million loss becomes a $6.6 million profit.


A typical profit: In the 2003-04 season, the Nets went 47-35, won the Atlantic Division, and lost in seven games to the eventual champions — the Pistons — in the Eastern Conference semifinals. (This was the last of the Kidd-Jefferson-Martin Nets.) That playoff run brought in an extra $4.8 million in revenue, a decent haul that few owners can count on every year. So let's pretend the playoffs didn't happen. Take away that $4.8 million, and the $1.4 million in expenses, and the $27.6 million net loss is now $31 million. Run the earlier calculation again and you would have a $4.4 million profit in a non-playoff season.


The sale: Bruce Ratner's ownership group took over in fall 2004, and the Nets became a small piece of Forest City's $12 billion portfolio. This includes the Atlantic Yards land grab in Brooklyn, the future home of the Nets and the best explanation for why a buccaneering real estate developer like Ratner might buy a middling franchise like the Nets in the first place. As Neil deMause, co-author of Field of Schemes, explains: "If Ratner had gone to Brooklyn politicians and said, 'Hey, I want to build offices and residential buildings on public land,' they'd have hung up on him. But when he says, 'I'm going to bring professional sports back to Brooklyn,' suddenly here's [Brooklyn Borough President] Marty Markowitz holding press conferences and sobbing about the Dodgers. [Buying the Nets] helped him get a foot in the door with Brooklyn politicians."

This means you have to think about the Nets under Ratner as a single node on a vast network — "an element in a billionaire's wealth-generating portfolio," as Rodney Fort says. The real value of the team to Forest City will likely show up in small type on the balance sheets of another subsidiary, lying just beyond our view.


A real loss: "Something interesting happens in 2005," Fort says. "The team really did lose $30 million," even after you remove the phantom losses for player depreciation. (The adjustments aren't insignificant. The next year, in 2006, the team lost something south of $40 million, not the $70 million you see on the balance sheet.) Under previous ownership, the team had been a $4 million a year operation, give or take. What happened?


The motor plant: Operating income was down in 2005, dropping from $95.7 million to $77.4 million, and expenses rose, particularly in those line items representing what we'll loosely call the team's self-presentation: ticket sales, marketing, broadcast, etc. Fort's guess is that the Nets were "presenting the team to Brooklyn" and spending a good deal of money in the process. (The accounting also changed — among other things, we now have line items for both "loss on players' contracts" and "depreciation and amortization.") Still, that doesn't quite account for the swing from a mild profit to a seemingly large loss. "One of two things must be true," Fort says. "Either they haven't found all the values [of owning a team], or they're not losing money."

We can't know for sure, though, since we're seeing only a sliver of Forest City's portfolio. The mistake is in thinking of a sports team as a self-contained unit. Fort says a team is more like the motor plant at Ford. If you were to look at the motor division's revenue, he says, "I'd promise you it's negative." He continues: "But if you said, 'Look, Ford is losing money!' that'd be ridiculous." The motor plant is selling motors at a price that enables Ford to turn a profit when it sells completed motor vehicles. It creates value, Fort says, "every time a Ford goes out of the assembly line."

For anyone who wants to extrapolate these numbers to the rest of the league, caveats apply. These are six-year-old financials for a single team in the NBA, where market size is destiny and where, for instance, New York's books won't look anything like Milwaukee's. What's more, this is about as close a look as you'll get at the financial workings of a sports franchise, and even then the balance sheets are hopelessly opaque. But that's partly the point. In the modern era, franchises are owned by businessmen who approach their teams as one of many interconnected wealth-generating mechanisms. As in Fort's example above, the real value of one asset (the Nets) can't be known without looking at the numbers for another (the Barclays Center) and another (the rest of the Atlantic Yards development), and so on. There's nothing illegal or even wrong with that, but in such a system you can see very quickly why incentives for owners often fall irreparably out of plumb with the wishes of their fans — owners want to maximize revenue (which is their right), and fans want to win (which is their nature), and both Wayne Huizenga and the folks in the grandstand at PNC Park will tell you that these goals aren't necessarily compatible.

The other lesson to draw is that there are certain baked-in advantages to owning a team. You have both the relevant labor law and the tax code firmly on your side. You are making money you didn't exactly earn from the moment you sign the paperwork, and you are making more money for your other businesses — your shopping mall across the street from the arena, your legal practice, your broadcast holdings — and then, come tax time, you are allowed by law, and even encouraged, to pretend you are not making any money at all. Remember this the next time David Stern says the NBA's economic system is broken. "The bottom line about the bottom line," Fort says, "is that even if it looks like they're losing money, it doesn't mean they're losing money."